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Post by RSR_man on Nov 26, 2012 19:30:20 GMT -8
What is the best way to tip off your infielders to position themselves based on what kind of pitch is coming?
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Post by bkwrdkurout on Nov 27, 2012 16:27:35 GMT -8
There are several ways: The middle IF's can observe the Catchers signs and slide late. If your own corner IF's can view their own C's signs - we have a problem :>)
All four IF's can learn the Pitching coach's signs and slide late so as not to give anything away. Our pitching coach gives a pitch sign and a location sign and it is very simple!
That said: Everyone is fortunate that a HS kid can locate his pitch to where we called.
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Post by RSR_man on Nov 27, 2012 19:07:51 GMT -8
I thought about the pitching coach angle...but that leads to other items such as....if the catcher calls his own game...then we'll have to revert to the middle infields seeing it. I agree about pitchers hitting their spot...but that is their focus. If we can hit the spot and be in the right spot on defense I like that better. Plus you have another thing you can jump your pitcher about if he misses spots..."the defense is lining up to your pitches....hit your spots dummy  " |
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Post by coach2709 on Nov 27, 2012 19:15:26 GMT -8
Use the three number wrist band method. Each pitch is called using three numbers which tells the type of pitch called and location. When the coach yells the three numbers everyone (except pitcher because he can't wear a wristband) looks to see what's called. Catcher signals it to the pitcher and adjust accordingly.
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Post by bkwrdkurout on Nov 27, 2012 19:38:41 GMT -8
(1) having played and knowing how hard the game is to master I personally would never get on my pitcher for missing his spots. Its a game of human error (and lose the dummy word if you coach HS) (2).I have resisted the wrist band stuff. I just can't do it (my bad but I just can't)
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Post by coach2709 on Nov 27, 2012 20:13:12 GMT -8
(1) having played and knowing how hard the game is to master I peronally would never get on my pitcher for missing his spots. Its a game of human error (and lose the dummy word if you coach HS) (2).I have resisted the wrist band stuff. I just can't do it (my bad but I just can't) Totally agree with number one and totally understand with number two HAHAHAHA ;D |
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Post by RSR_man on Nov 27, 2012 20:15:42 GMT -8
bkwrd. Again...this being a new board...people don't understand my "board manners". No way I say "dummy" to any kid ever. The "dummy" in the thread was making the point...and a shot of humor.
I do disagree with your last two points...
1. I am going to get on a kid for missing his spots. I totally understand the human error part and that even the pros miss the spots. The thread could be even deeper in that I should have included "in crucial moments". A kid can miss a spot in a crucial moment...but I want them to rise up and be their best in that moment. Miss earlier in the count, but we need you to locate at "this" moment.
2. I think wristbands are extremely useful. Why? You can never crack my code. Period. You'll never figure out my signs to the catcher. They will always be different. Also, I am thinking of going with a "modified" wristband. Limit the number of calls on the wristband. Let the kid call his game, but in certain situations call for a pick, a pitch out, AND MOST DEFINITELY a certain location. Especially if we have a book on a kid. Even if I trust the catcher to put the sign down there for that location...I want to be able to get a quick number sign to him.
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Post by bkwrdkurout on Dec 12, 2012 16:25:30 GMT -8
bkwrd. Again...this being a new board...people don't understand my "board manners". No way I say "dummy" to any kid ever. The "dummy" in the thread was making the point...and a shot of humor.
*** I do understand your point as well as your humor however I’ve made flip comments on rather anonymous sites before and it has occasionally come back to bite. The coaching fraternity is a tight one as you obviously know and I’ve decided to not say something in jest or behind closed doors that I would not say to a student-athlete or his family but that’s just my opinion.
I do disagree with your last two points...
1. I am going to get on a kid for missing his spots. I totally understand the human error part and that even the pros miss the spots. The thread could be even deeper in that I should have included "in crucial moments". A kid can miss a spot in a crucial moment...but I want them to rise up and be their best in that moment. Miss earlier in the count, but we need you to locate at "this" moment.
***Again it’s okay to disagree but commanding ones location or lack thereof happens in college, amateur baseball, independent baseball and professional baseball. Since I’m a believer in nurturing athletes through tough and good times, I’m going to handle that differently than you may.
2. I think wristbands are extremely useful. Why? You can never crack my code. Period. You'll never figure out my signs to the catcher. They will always be different. Also, I am thinking of going with a "modified" wristband. Limit the number of calls on the wristband. Let the kid call his game, but in certain situations call for a pick, a pitch out, AND MOST DEFINITELY a certain location. Especially if we have a book on a kid. Even if I trust the catcher to put the sign down there for that location...I want to be able to get a quick number sign to him.
***This is more humorous that serious but I can’t use wrist bands because the few coaching mentors in my baseball life – never used them and it has nothing to do with generational stuff. I use this phrase a lot to youth ball players when they do something I’ve never seen before. “Have you ever seen Stanford Baseball team (at the Sunken Diamond) do something behavioral like that".
My point is all I ask of our guys is to execute the Keep it Simple part of baseball. I could care less about cracking ones code. I watched LA Tech play San Jose State last year at Muni and the game took on several elongated and unnecessary moments.
When I see Ron Wotus using the wrist band method I might jump on board. :>) I just like giving signs to our squad…
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Post by RSR_man on Dec 13, 2012 21:17:54 GMT -8
Totally get it Coach. My point with the wristbands is more of a time saver. If I can move the game along with a quick "sign" from the wristband that might be quicker than me running through signs...I'm going to do it. Also, I'm dealing with JV baseball players who only could dream to play at Sunken Diamond and probably don't have a clue who Ron Wotus is. Therefore, if we can get them to do it the right way...any method is a good one. |
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